Episode 056 - Growing Roots in Ag: Sydney Gowan's Story

Sydney Gowan: I remember like there was one meeting that I just wrote down like seven acronyms. And then afterwards, I was like, Okay, some of these might be self-explanatory, but I'm gonna need to go back to this page tomorrow. Somebody explained them to me, please. But 

Taylor McAdams: Hey, everybody. Thanks for joining us for another episode of The Kick Your Boots up podcast. We're so excited this week to have some girl time. So if you're a guy, don't tune out because you're gonna learn a thing or two. And ladies, this episode is for you. And more specifically, if you are looking forward to advancing yourself in a career or in college, or maybe you just don't know what your next step is, you're going to want to hang on to a lot of the words that this next guest has to offer. So without further ado, I'd like to introduce introduce you guys to our summer intern, our social media intern here at Justin, this is Sydney Gowan. Sydney, Thank you for being here.

Sydney Gowan: Thank you for having me. I'm honored.

Taylor McAdams: Absolutely. And I am just like, so excited to talk to you. Because I remember from the very beginning of the process, I didn't get to be a part of the whole thing. But looking at your resume, there were a few things that stood out to me a you were very, very organized, I could tell right right then and there. But then also like the passion for doing good and for agriculture kind of bled through and everything that you did. So I know a little bit about you. But I still don't know a lot. I'm going to learn a lot today. Tell us a little bit about yourself and kind of how you got to where you are right now. 

Sydney Gowan: Well, I grew up in Frisco. So that's an hour from here in Fort Worth, I lived there my entire life. I didn't grow up in agriculture. So I guess that is something that's unique to my situation being so like heavily involved now, and just certain aspects of it. But wasn't until high school that I kind of like found my passion for agriculture. And it was through Texas FFA, which I know a lot of people can relate to, and also like, share that passion. sophomore year of high school, I got moved to a brand new high school that didn't have an Texas FFA chapter. And obviously, I was not okay with this, because that was what I wanted to be doing. So with the help of like other chapter members and our amazing ag teacher, we charted a chapter in a year, which was, I guess, not unusual, but definitely quicker than maybe we thought or someone else saw just really impressive. And like, thankful that I got to be a part of that. But that's where it kind of like really kicked in the year I got to see some like behind the scenes that I feel like we don't always get to see with our ag teachers or like what goes on that, like qualifies your chapter for certain things. So you can check that off the box, right? And it's kind of a fun thing. Like my first state convention, I got to walk the stage, which super fun got to accept a charter from you know, awesome large who is the Executive Director, I believe, what's his title with Texas FFA at that point, but just super cool. And that just like, went into you know, dairy cattle judging and showing market goats and, you know, Chapter conducting and all those different things that kind of just continued to grow my passion. But that obviously, I'm also come from a family of Aggies. So going choosing Texas A&M Right now I'm at texted him probably should start with that. I'm a junior, but so obviously I've had that love for a really long time for that school. And we are caught mostly. So whatever. However Yeah, I know somebody might as well be the ASCII that makes it a little bit better. But obviously love from family, but then obviously passion for agriculture and kind of advocating for it found me at where I found myself at Texas A&M. Okay, so that led me to my major, which is a double major that is agriculture, communications in journalism, journalism in agriculture, leadership and development. So mouthful, yeah, so a mouthful, I can barely say it myself. But that is my major. So that's kind of where led me to this awesome opportunity of working at Justin this summer. But I definitely have a love for like, communicating, understanding people, serving people. That kind of aspect. So with leadership and communications, that's obviously, like, a lot of what I do at school, but then like, outside of class, that's also like, I really appreciate you saying that about my resume because while it is like, they are resume builders, like those, like clubs and organizations like mean so much more than that to me, but just kind of like a lot of mentoring through like freshman leadership development organizations and fish camp, which I'm sure the Aggies are familiar with, but it's basically like Cowboy Camp for OSU or those types of things like just a camp for freshmen to get to know like campus and campus life and traditions and stuff like that. So just got really involved in some of that. And then a little on the college agriculture of course, but I'm with All that being said, just kind of like, eight, enhance my passion for communicating and doing it effectively and leading people and serving people. So super excited to work with such an amazing marketing team for a iconic iconic brand. But yeah, and just, I had spoken with Taylor Morton, about two years ago, for an assignment for class, really, we were supposed to interview a public relations professional. And my roommate now works with her with like through Texas FFA And he gave me her contact and I reached out and she was super, like enthusiastic about it was so fun to talk to, I learned a lot about the brand and her job. And from then on out, like when people would ask me what I wanted to do, I was to work in marketing for a Western brand. So then, fast forward, I guess, like a year and a half later, I saw this job opening on Of the west of the West and using Yeah, Ofthe West, of the West, but of the West, which I believe is fairly new. Yeah. started it, I believe that Jessie Jarvis. Yes, yes. And it was shown in one of our classes, how to network and Okay, yeah, then kind of like, where to start finding a job. So thought on there. And then I reached back out to Taylor and just let her know, like, hey, like, you know, I applied for this job. Like, I love getting to know you and like more about the brand. And just like, let me know, if you think there's anything else that I could do to you know, better my chances for this job. And then like, a month later, I followed back up because, I mean, as like, if you're younger, like as you'll know, like, begin to know, like, it's good to always, like follow up with like, a thank you, or, like, I really enjoyed talking to you, or like these things that like might not seem like they matter. And they might seem almost like cheesy, but they could be the connection, like the networking that everybody involved, like benefits from because he's in the future.

Taylor McAdams: And you don't you never know, I don't I don't think this was a case with you. I really don't know. But you never know. Like, if there's two people that are potentially could fill the job, if one went above and was like, Hey, here's a thank you, or here's a check in that might make me think oh, okay, they're more on it than right person, you know?

Sydney Gowan: Yeah. And I mean, they did for you. They talked about that in class, like, just like some professional development stuff. Like, it could be the difference. And it could be simply the difference between like Taylor knew me. Yes, I guess, like, in a more personal way, not personally, but in a more personal way, like had talked to me before. And maybe like, that was just some I mean, I guess I don't know, I guess we could ask her but

Taylor McAdams: yeah, after this, we're gonna actually get your boss to tell the truth. No, yeah. No, no compare stories.

Sydney Gowan: But, you know, I'd you just never know. So yeah, I'm really thankful that I did that. But I mean, in a non-cheesy way, like, I enjoy that communication aspect. So like, I love to follow up and thank you and all that stuff. 

Taylor McAdams: So. And I'm really glad you said that, actually. Because I personally feel like at times, I'm like, I'm being too much of a person. And I think women in general feel this way. I don't know, let us know if you feel that way out there too. Because, holy cow, there's like some kind of double standard for women where we kind of have to like make ourselves smaller to be something to another women even. And there's times when I'm like, I don't need to send a thank you because they're gonna think I'm trying to kiss butt or something. You know, it's like that's Yeah, and I look also I can relate to you on the resume builder thing because you're right there are people out there and that's totally fine if you're this way that are like, Oh, I'm gonna fill the resume that way I look like I did something with my college career. And then there's others that are like no, I literally had so much fun at Camp Cowboy or camp Aggie or whatever. Right? And so good for you. Kudos there. And there's so many I want to go back actually, because what's something that caught my attention was you said that you showed goats, and I've got to ask the million dollar question the aggie the agriculturist in me wants to know whenever you were showing your goats was this before or after the time where you had to brace the goats to show them?

Sydney Gowan: this was like direct or like yes, so had

Taylor McAdams: to brace them like a lamb. 

Sydney Gowan: Yeah, it was that silly to you, exactly like a lamb and I don't I don't I think in my head because I didn't come from an agricultural background. In my head when I started Texas FFA I would start with like a rabbit or something small Yeah. And then I would work my way up to a steer which people in agriculture know, that's not how that works. And once you bought everything for the goat, we're not going to stop and then buy everything, and then you've can make connections with breeders and learn how to feed it and like, like the ratio of the protein and the enhancer or like all of the different like nutrition, like you just found that out quickly, so then I like got into goats. And then I'm tall. I'm like five, nine. So I'm trying to brace this. I mean, I never competed in heavy weights because that's for the very competitive group. That's okay. So lighter, smaller goat, and I'm, like, five, nine. And fun fact, I tore both of my ACLs in high school at one point. So the raising goats will know playing basketball, but um, definitely made the bracing goats part like harder. So I'm like trying to like brace this goat. We had to like figure out a way for me to hold it. So long story long, actually. Yeah, I did. And it was not always super fun.

Taylor McAdams: Okay, that's like such an interesting concept to me. That's why I had to ask because, yeah, I got out of it just in time. I actually, when I showed goats, it was like, when I was way younger, but I was showing pigs, and still, I had gotten out of it just in time, because then next thing you know, they're bracing the goats and I'm like, What is this? Are they are they confused? And I get now it's obviously gonna present them the best, what their bodies to look good and all that stuff. But yeah, I always just remember being taller like you and thinking like, how does that work? Because I already struggled with the sheep. I didn't know what I was doing. Just like in the round-robin stuff. Yeah. Right. Anyway, anyways, that's awesome. Kudos to you. And then going back to, like, your high school into college transition. I'm sure that was hard in terms of like, there's so many decisions, what college are you going to go to? What are you going to major in, and then choosing the college and sticking with it? I know people out there who've listened to the podcast long enough have known my story where I switch several times, you know, it's pretty common. So now fast forward, you've made it through your junior year, you're going to be a Senior gonna be a senior gonna be a senior. Okay. Yeah, you've made it through your junior year, you've basically not mastered college, but you've understood it. Yeah. What do you think you would go back and tell yourself at like high school to college going into college transition age?

Sydney Gowan: Well, definitely, like, before I knew I had gotten into A&M. I kind of had this like, crisis, for lack of a better term, that I was, like, I seriously, like I've grown up my entire life, like going to be an Aggie, like going to school. They're like, I'm not sure what other option, like I would choose. Like, of course, I applied to these other schools. But I mean, like, to the point where, like, I didn't even tour them. Like, I just knew nowhere else. And that was okay with me because I really, really wanted to go there. But I didn't know until, like, February, like three months before we graduated, that that's how I was gonna get to go. So I would definitely say just like, to trust the process. I know that there's a lot of kids that are that are like family friends that I've known, like, that are younger than me that have, like, been between colleges. And like, I don't know, like, I feel more at home here. But I'm, like, closer to my mom here. Or like, there's just a lot of decisions. Like, surrounding where you go to college. It's a big one. But I would just say kind of like trust, like where feels at home, pray about it. Just kind of allow, like yourself to not get super, like, worked up about it. Because you also could go and then change your mind. That's okay, too. Right? Yeah, yeah. And you can, and you can just change your mind. But I would definitely say to that group that is about to apply for college, or like, I guess, the group that just graduated already decided. But if you're about to decide, I would just say to like trust your gut. And I mean, ask your family members, your friends, like where, you know, just kind of like talk it out, like talk out your feelings and kind of just trust that God will place you in the right place. 

Taylor McAdams: Oh, without a doubt, we were kind of talking a little bit about that off camera about how you do everything happens for a reason. And as much as we would like to make plans. The good Lord upstairs laughs as soon as we leave because you're like, I want to go left, and he's like, Okay, you're going right, right.

Sydney Gowan: He's like, That's not enough and actually seems like it, but it's not.

Taylor McAdams: Everything had to work out the way that it did to get here, right get to be going into your senior year at your dream school, you know, but I can't help but ask what would your parents have thought if you went to a different college? Would they have disowned you a little bit? 

Sydney Gowan: Well, so my dad's not an Aggie. He's got perfect honorary Aggie, he has all the Spirit, just wasn't that's not where he graduated from. But there were jokes. I mean, amongst my family, like Yeah, right, like Tarleton or Baylor, OSU or Auburn, all these different places that like I knew a little bit about from, like, friends and family and stuff, but like, they were like, Yeah, right. Like, you would never do that. And I'm like, right? Yeah. But I seriously like was one of those kids that like, I wanted to go to A&M so bad, because my mom would say no, like, I just are legacy, right? And I just ordered my ring. So I'll get my ring in October, which is a big deal for us out It was, but like, I like one of my biggest dreams was to have an Aggie Ring just like my mom. So a lot of the rest of our family so 

Taylor McAdams: It's about to happen. By the time this podcast comes out, it might have already happened. I don't know. We'll see. We'll definitely Sydney, right? But along those same lines kind of a little bit going back to what you said earlier about, like your degree and the mouthful, that it is and like how hard you have to work. Talk to me about your time at college because I want to give you some advice. My advice is live each day like live it up. And I hate to say that because you're in college and it's like live it up be the life of the party. I don't necessarily mean that. But that to me, that's part of it, you know, but you think in the moment in college that your life is so serious, and your decisions matter. Like you have to have your whole five years planned out, they teach that even like that, you need the next five years, what are you doing? But in reality, like when you look back, those are some of the best days of your life. That's like the one time that all your friends are going to be in the same area. So take advantage of that. Enjoy that. There's my little soapbox.

Sydney Gowan:  Yeah, no, thank you. I love it and like to be reminded of that is great because sometimes you lose yourself in the dot wasn't a 4.0 semester. Yeah, and I didn't make fish camp chair like the next level of my student organization like you think it is like the end of the world. But then you're kind of like, wait, I'm so blessed to be here. Thankful for all the opportunities that I've experienced. And like you're at college and you might be at your dream college. Like I seriously will walk around campus and like be like, stop. Deep breath. Look at where you are. If you would have told Sydney in middle school that I was an Aggie.

Taylor McAdams: No way.

Sydney Gowan: No way. Land. 

Taylor McAdams: I am so glad that you appreciate that. Because like walking past for me OSU walking past like library lawn into the fountain that was always talked about. So beautiful. Okay, yeah. So for me, that was always like a, I get to go here. And so yeah, that moment. 

Sydney Gowan: Well, yeah. And I just that would be another little piece of advice. Just like, let's seem silly. Literally, just stop and like, look around you. And then take it in for a second. Because you'll be a few years out of college and be like, oh, I

Taylor McAdams: want to go back for real these bills. So I wish I can call it Yeah,

Sydney Gowan: I mean, my mom, like, obviously, like I'm about to graduate. It's been a minute since she's been in college. Like I want to say least once a week, every couple days. She's like, I'm so jealous. I'm just so jealous. Oh, good. She's kind of kept, you know, she's like, You better you better take advantage because a lot of us want to be back in college. 

Taylor McAdams: So let me ask you this. And I truly don't know the answer. So shame on me for not looking up any more about A&M. But are there any superstitions on campus? Like, I'll give you an example. at OSU, There's this building called Morill Hall. And there's these stairs that are like, oh, gosh, it feels like they're 100 feet high. And the rumor was the superstition is if you go up those stairs, you're not going to finish in four years. Well, I innocently did that didn't know it was a thing someone told me after, and then I didn't finish in four years. 

Sydney Gowan: Oh, wow. That is true. Yeah. Is that make you think for a second?

Taylor McAdams: Are there any superstitions at A&M?

Sydney Gowan: Yes. So there is the seal, which is like the university like crest, I guess is, I guess sealing crest. Okay, they're changeable, sort of, I don't know. But like the emblem that has, like, the like A&M in it, whatever. It's in, like the middle of military walk, which goes in front of our academic building. So I guess that all is kind of foreign if you don't know what I'm talking about, but kind of in the center of campus. And if you walk over it, then you won't finish in four years. But that true. Do you know, I don't, I don't know. I rarely see somebody walk on it. Okay, like, but you know, we're kind of like super crazy about those things. So there's like a bunch of them. Like if you walk with a, like, if I were to walk with a guy under the century tree, which is this big tree that like literally grows into the ground and comes back out, then, like, if we don't like I guess this is probably not exactly correct. But I like I that would be the person or if it wasn't then like, I wouldn't ever find the person. Like I had some it's something along those lines. So like, that might not be exactly correct. No, but I get it. So like those and then we have a Memorial Student Center, which is an act like a living memorial for veterans, so you're not supposed to walk on that grass, but I guess that's less superstitions more just like that. Yeah, but it's that kind of vibe. I guess that's cool.

Taylor McAdams: Yeah, I want to know out there, if you're listening, if you have any superstitions with your school, comment below because I'm super into this I love it. I love hearing like all the Is it true, is it not? We have a whole podcast episode on it but yeah,

Sydney Gowan: about all the different colleges. I think it's so fun like my cousin goes to OSU and like I was there for bedlam. I think it Hold up this switch is like OSU oh you football? Yeah, but and OSU won last,

Taylor McAdams: like last and the first time, right and like yeah I don't need to talk about it years like, 

Sydney Gowan: let's just focus on this one and it was the last and like Adam does not want oh you are Texas and the SEC but we don't have to get into that

Taylor McAdams: y'all keep them but

Sydney Gowan: but like getting to experience that and like they appreciate like appreciating other universities like traditions and stuff it was really cool. So on the side, Go Pokes! 

Taylor McAdams: Yeah, we'll make a poke out of you by the time you leave. We're gonna take a quick break though but when we get back, we're going to talk more about Sydney's experience here at Justin. Stay tuned. Hi ladies Summer is here. And if you're anything like me, you're looking for the perfect summer dress, something that will keep you cool and stylish and also look cute too. So whether you're gearing up for your backyard barbecue, your beach vacation, or maybe even a few weddings, you have the summer Justin Boots has you covered with their stunning collection of dresses. And that's right, I said dresses that have a sheer sleeve that the wind blows right through and keeps you nice and breezy so you can look your best when you're going to these events where you're definitely going to sweat. And as a special offer for being a Kick Your Boots up listener, we'd like to offer you 15% off your next purchase. Just use code KYBU15 at checkout, that's code KYBU 15. Hey, guys, we're back in studio with Sydney. And now we're gonna jump right on into your time here at Justin. By the time this podcast airs, you're going to be winding down, or who knows, you may have already left us so we're talking to the future. But while we're while you're here, I wanted to grab you and get your perspective on what you've gotten to do. So far as an intern. I know that we used to have interns, and there's a lot out there that probably watch this podcast, and then it closed down when the world shut down at COVID. And so you're one of our first few interns back. So what has your experience been like? And you can be honest, 

Sydney Gowan: no, yeah, I'm all positive. Honestly, I'm definitely honored to be like one of the first to get y'all back into the internship program and everything like that. But I, like I said and like still say like, definitely a dream opportunity. Like I have been wearing Justin boots my entire life to like one of my favorite pair was like a betrayal. I think they're called the Lanos like just like all like tan with like the beautiful like stitching on him. But so I was obviously like a Justin fan. But um, so that kind of the passion for the brand and like, the love for it was already there. So I guess that was a benefit. But that definitely helps. I've worked on creating content for TikTok and reels, which is like, very, like, constantly changing, very trendy, very new, which is like really hard to tackle. But I think it's fun because, like, I mean, we all watch TikTok and reels like all the time. So like, it's pretty easy to at least keep up. Trend wise. So I've been working on that. And that's been really cool just to kind of see like, what does well and what doesn't, because I feel like from a just watching TikTok perspective, like we all like we all do. And me and my friends do. I'm never thinking like, Oh, like this probably didn't do well, because of this, or like, oh, this did well, because they was a combination of like this trendy sound, and this transition. And like they talked about this, and it was posted the right time. So like, it's cool to see the timing of content and how it goes out. And like, obviously you and like Emily, the Social Media Manager, she does a great job of like planning it. So with the combination of all of y'all working together, it's cool to see how y'all come up with that. Yeah, I mean, y'all do a great job. And I know like, especially with, like just production always being different. And that's something I also learning a lot more of like the business side. Seeing how like y'all adjust to different dates changing has been really interesting that y'all probably are used to it, but I'm like, Oh my gosh, like a two-week difference. Like how does that change like this and going like that song still be trending? And yeah, I'm like I needed to talk this trendy right now. And it might not be trendy tomorrow, but it's not going out for another two weeks. I'm like, I would have to make another one which is totally fine. But like it's very interesting because it's not as simple as it seems. But also like getting to do a little bit of the other, like marketing areas, I guess, like working with Taylor, that is the Public Relations Manager, and kind of like seeing she does a great job. Obviously, maintaining like relationships with Endorsee or celebrities and things around Fort Worth. So it's really cool to see like her do her thing and learning how she writes press releases which was something I was super interested in coming into the internship because PR obviously having to do with like a lot of relationships, like based, and that being like something I just like love and like I'm okay at naturally. I'm super excited to like learn those things. So I'm writing some press releases. And just seriously like, one piece of advice for any person doing any internship, take notes, and just carry around your journal, take notes, even if it seems silly, ask silly questions, and write down all the information like literally just like sitting in front of y'all and just like soaking it up. Because 

Taylor McAdams: I will say, that's such good advice. Thank you for saying that. Because you have done really good at at asking questions. A good example of that is like we're in meetings, all the time planning, and we all are used to the way we work. We understand, you know, these things, and we're looking at it like this because we've done it for so long. But you come in as an outsider, and you're like, what about this? And we're like that, yeah. So you've contributed as well, it's good to have that fresh energy in our sessions. 

Sydney Gowan: Yeah. And I think something that like, the brand is, like, a goal of ours y’alls in the future, is to like continue to like, find the balance between being a heritage brand and staying true to y’alls values and morals and kind of like keeping the heritage within the brand, but also like being trendy. So I think it's fun that, like, we, I got to see kind of how y'all are already balancing that. And then like, hopefully adding a little bit to the conversation. So that's definitely been one of the cooler things,

Taylor McAdams: Do you have to do anything with school for this, you have to write any papers or anything?

Sydney Gowan: I don't believe I have to write any papers, but I am enrolled in a class that, like we like, provide reflections for the other people in the class, like what are you working on this week? What is something you learned, like some cool stuff like that? So like, I mean, doing that type of thing. And then I think I'll end up doing like a professional development plan. But thankfully, no papers I don't unless I haven't read through the full syllabus, and that would be a problem. So but yeah, getting class credit for always helps. But definitely, most majors. Nowadays, have you do some type of like, I think they call it like high impact experiences or something, something along those lines where it's like an internship or you're a TA or something hands-on, right? Yeah, that's good to apply really good, whatever, whether it be leadership or communications. So.

Taylor McAdams: What do you think has been the hardest part about your internship so far? Has it been the drive the hour? 

Sydney Gowan: It has been our drive that definitely doesn’t help. Man, y'all have made it so y'all are so welcoming. And like y'all always, nobody ever seems put out kind of to stop and explain things to me. So it's kind of hard to think of something, but I think just like, personally, probably like catching up with y'all is lingo. Ooh, that's so whether that's like internal lingo, just like Justin or like, Western, like, terms, Western Apparel, Western footwear , shoes, and Yeah, or like, just anything like that, I think has been like WESA like WESA or kind of like all the acronyms like, obviously, like, all the things that we partner with, like,

Taylor McAdams: oh, yeah, JST, JCCF. Yeah.

Sydney Gowan: You got that one? That one. So the PRCA , right, like all of those things. I guess that was the hardest part. But no, definitely made it easy. Like I remember, like, there was one meeting that I just wrote down like seven acronyms. And then afterwards, I was like, Okay, some of these might be self-explanatory, but I'm gonna need, I'm gonna go back to this page. Tomorrow. Somebody explaining to me please, but yeah, so. So

Taylor McAdams: That's so cool. Well, I know it's been a joy having you here, and you've been so helpful. I know that a lot of people out there are gonna get to see your work. They actually, by the time this is going to be air your you're going to be wrapped up probably with your stuff. But we just had a leather care video that you did from start to finish, you got to tell everyone how to clean their seats. I know we just recorded one this morning. Just having that experience. Like I'm so proud of you. And I know that you're gonna go so far, and keep it up. Because what your strengths, like your strengths, balance out other people's weaknesses, and you're so needed on any team you're on. And it's been so good getting to know you this summer. Like, truly I'm like, I think I'm leaving with a friend. I think we can all feel that way. And so, I encourage you, just like you follow up with your interviews and stuff, follow up with us, you know, keep following us on social media, and they sure become like a friend as well. You know, because we were joking off camera with our producer Juan, I'm gonna give him a shout-out about how you're gonna like get hired after this. And who knows, you never know. We used to have a graphic designer Maggie that started out as an intern and became our lead graphic designer here. So your future's bright, right? Never know where you'll end up when you graduate? And you got that ring on your finger? That Aggie ring. Yeah, you're gonna go so far and I I'm thankful that we got to be a small part of your journey.

Sydney Gowan: Thank you. I'm blessed beyond words to have gotten to do this this summer and learn from y'all.

Taylor McAdams: You're killing it, killing it, killing it. 

Sydney Gowan: Thank you. 

Taylor McAdams: Thank you. If you guys have any advice for Sydney and her internship, or if you want to know more about the internship program, comment below, we read all the comments, we're happy to see what you say. And don't forget to like, subscribe, and share this episode with your friends, especially if they're in a season of getting ready to start a new job or going to become an intern somewhere, whatever it may be, share it with them. We are so thankful Sydney was here, and we're thankful that you listened and we'll see you guys the next time you kick your boots up. Thanks for joining us on Kick Your Boots Up. I'm your host Taylor McAdams, and we can't wait to share the next story of the West. Until then, feel free to like, subscribe, and leave us a review. Follow us on social media at Justin Boots  to keep up with our next episode. And we'll see you the next time you kick your boots up.